(07-02-2019, 01:57 AM)Plenty O’Toole Wrote: Forgiveness would be one thing if he was genuinely contrite. But he’s not. In the act he performed he makes light of the accusations of him jerking off in front of unwilling partners, shifting the blame to the victims, joking about how he asked for consent and they still accused him. Well, no, they didn’t consent, and that’s the problem.
That's misinformation. In every instance the accuser admits that they did give consent. The issue here isn't consent, but rather the inappropriate nature of "asking" for consent from someone who is under your authority. When a person that you respect and admire "asks" you to do something, and that person can make or break your career, it isn't really the same as me walking up to a random stranger and asking them if they want to watch me jerk off.
So, there was consent, but it was tainted by the abuse of power.
(07-02-2019, 01:57 AM)Plenty O’Toole Wrote: I think it’s helpful to look at this case from the perspective of the victims. If you’re a young female comedian, and you see the older male comedian - whom you probably idolised and were thrilled to be spending time with, who then took advantage of your naivety to treat you like nothing more than a sex object whose consent is irrelevant - getting his celebrity back, how would that make you feel? I think at this point in history it might reinforce in your mind your abuser’s idea that you are just an object.
That's fair. There will likely be people who were traumatized by this situation that will have strong emotions from seeing Louis CK perform again.
But what is so wrong about that? If a person commits an act of rape, goes to prison for x amount of years, does their bid, gets out. Shouldn't that person be allowed to live their life at that point?
Hell, even a fucking nasty ass pedophile can serve time, get the scarlet letter, and then go live their life, after release.
But, you are saying that this man has done something so much worse that there is absolutely no time frame long enough that he could stay out of sight that would be acceptable? That he must never practice his art ever again? @
Plenty O’Toole, I think that is absurd, and in this context, I think it would be hard to deny the hypocrisy.
Louis CK is very likely a sick man. His comedy stylings would back that up, I think. But, he manned up when things blew up in his face. He didn't pull a
Kevin Spacey and try to distract us from his errors. He didn't pull a
Cosby and blame the victims.
He owned up to his mistake and even spelled out the hard truth as to why he was wrong.
I'll say it again, let the man work. Let the man resume his fucking life.