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    #11
    That has been and always will be the situation in any country throughout history. SJ? If you think your country is any different, please explain. But as far as I know, the wealthy have always ruled the poor (or at least the more wealthy). It doesn't matter the country or the time, it has been and always will be that way. Nothing can change that. People have tried throughout the history of man to alter that dynamic, and it has never happened.

    Russia was probably the closest to achieving financial equality between all of it's people in the history of mankind, and we all know how that turned out. Not well.

    There is no perfect solution.

    Churchill said "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." And I tend to agree with him. No one government or solution will please everyone, but Democracy seems to be the best bet so far.

    And I still haven't really heard how the top 1% controlling things is a crisis. It seems to me that that is how it has always been.

    that those with no rights,
    display the right to have no life, to have respect they must accept
    a world commiting suicide
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    #12
    I would not take the soviet union as an example of how things should be run,but rather the former yugoslavia and we all[should]know what happened to that place after attention by the"free market"nations was put upon it.[we couldn't have anything remotely socialist happening in the middle of europe]

    of course my country is no different,they are part of the pack,no choice really,even if they wanted to,stepping out of line means punishment,loans withdrawal,economic sanctions,etc.

    by the way,here's an interesting alternative,worth a read


    www.amazon.com/Imagine-Living-Socialist-Frances-Goldin/dp/0062305573

    consistency is the hobdob
    of small minds[
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    #13
    Yugoslavia wouldn't have been able to sustain itself not because of it's socialist goverment, or lack thereof, or the attention put upon it, it had many other problems that had nothing to do with that. And my choice of the USSR was a good one I think, because they, of all the nations that attempted a socialist/communist society came the closest to making it work.

    There are obviously many, many reasons why Russia didn't succeed, but it has little to do with the fairness of politics. It was just a flawed system to begin with.

    As far as your book link goes, I disagree with so many of the statements in just the synopsis of it that I don't think it is worth reading. I can assume all sorts of ridiculous doomsday scenarios too, but that doesn't mean that any of them will come true.

    that those with no rights,
    display the right to have no life, to have respect they must accept
    a world commiting suicide
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    #14
    I know which other problems you refer to in yugoslavia,actually they coped pretty well with them until interference from outside started after the death of tito and the collapse of the soviet union

    as for the book,I thought i might put your attention to something alternative [there are many examples,Noam Chomsky perhaps?]

    consistency is the hobdob
    of small minds[
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    #15
    no
    the problems is not "If you think your country is any different"
    but more like
    "No country is any different but some Super Power claimed they were better and have the "divine" right to tell which is Dictators and which is "Freedom" and "Democracy"

    one thing for sure
    all scumbags dictators/Politicians all over the world must learn very hard to became a complete asshole for their peoples and still not even a single mass movement is made by their peoples to take those scumbag down
    Assad and Putin should learn that from......
    Idea

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    #16
    Putin is quite concerned about the possibility that a "Russian spring" movement may grow into force in the country, casting him and his corrupt oligarch buddies aside.
    So he caters to the deep Russian nationalist feelings among the lower classes, who like having a strong man in the Kremlin who can make Russia big and strong again.

    Here is a quite insightful perspective on what is happening in Russia regarding Ukraine:

    Is Putin Reassembling Soviet Union?
    Q&A With Nina Khrushcheva, Nikita Khrushchev's Granddaughter
    Khrushcheva explains what lies behind the turmoil in Crimea and speculates about its future.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
    - Robert A. Heinlein
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    #17
    and I wonder why there's won't be any chance such a call "USA Spring" for-ever

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    #18
    by the way nationalists is another word for patriots

    oligargchs?what's the difference between them and,say,the Koch brothers?

    consistency is the hobdob
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    #19
    Unfortunately, the United States Supreme Court has decided that there should not be any limitations on rich American's ability to use their money to influence elections.
    They see it as a free speech issue.
    So the Koch brothers, who have a combined fortune of more than 100 billion dollars, are able to spend millions financing conservative Republican candidates via the PACs (Political Action Committees) that they are funding.

    In Canada, their are strict limits on donations to political parties, and only individuals can donate. Corporations and unions are forbidden from doing so.
    I prefer the Canadian way, since it makes it nearly impossible for the rich to sway the outcome of elections.

    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
    - Robert A. Heinlein
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    #20
    (04-19-2014, 10:06 PM)velvetfog Wrote:  Unfortunately, the United States Supreme Court has decided that there should not be any limitations on rich American's ability to use their money to influence elections.
    They see it as a free speech issue.
    So the Koch brothers, who have a combined fortune of more than 100 billion dollars, are able to spend millions financing conservative Republican candidates via the PACs (Political Action Committees) that they are funding.

    in some countries
    this fact will lead massive Demonstration of "Intellectuals" class of the society, massive public movement in the street demanding changes and peoples fighting for the rights to overthrown the government
    but that won't happen in the USA
    since the one that actually preserve those kind of policies is the "Intellectuals" themselves
    and peoples...well
    ignorance is a bliss
    political movement is something that 3rd world no awesome uncivilized Ahab peoples do

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