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  • How would Tony Soprano have handled prison?
    #1
    Sopranos paved the way for what TV is today, with all the "binge watch" type series.

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    It'll always be my favorite. I can rewatch The Sopranos endlessly. Sopranos was written beautifully. In the last episode we learn that Tony is basically fucked, looking down the barrel of serious time and most of his crew are gone. How would he have fared in prison? Would it have been better if he were killed than going to jail? Assuming he didn’t die, how would he have handled prison? Would it be preferable to dying? I think he wouldn't do well inside at all. He found out through psychiatry that his thing with the ducks was he was afraid of losing his family. You pretty much lose your family when you go to prison.
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    #2
    I agree, Sopranos started it all, And I'm one of those who firmly believes Tony did die; there are too many clues to state otherwise. I'm beginning to wonder if Tony got killed for having Phil killed in front of his family... Since the end of the story shows Tony getting killed in front of his family. That' a mob no-no. Sopranos is so great we can still talk about it today like it just ended.

    I think Tony would have been fine in prison, as far as the $$ is there to pay off the right people, I don't think he would have flipped or got killed there.
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    As far as family, he knew the risk when he became made... His family is his mafia family. The fact that he can battle those feelings but still make decisions that suit himself, shows that he is ultimately a sociopath. One we all root for.

    The only part of the writing that I didn't like/didn't make sense, is when he told Melfi "you get a pass" when talking about gay sex... That makes no sense to me... All other shows depict mafia as self-restraining. None of that stuff went on In Godfather, Goodfellas, or even OZ when the Sicilians were there... Jeez, even Philly complained he had to "jack off" since he didn't have a woman...

    If Tony lost access to his $$ and power??? Then he wouldn't last. Someone would have loved to have bragging rights about killing a former mob boss.
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    #3
    @LZA Its possible Tony Soprano could pay for protection. It depends how much he had to pay in fines and stuff during his trial. Either way its a much different enviorment where they wouldnt cater to him like his guys did. I think he would try to stand on his own two feet and not pay for protection. He would fight, but prison is a much different environment.

    A friend of my husband a non-LCN Italian American spent 11 years in federal prison from 2006 until 2017. One year in MDC Brooklyn, 3 years in Big Sandy, 3 years in Hazelton, 4 years in Fort Dix nj. Our friend says that in federal prisons Italian American mobsters are still respected and feared and other inmates prefer to be friend of mobsters. He says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key, didn't look for trouble and were pretty much left alone but at Hazelton there was a larger LCN population with several lifers, and they were much more involved in prison politics. He says that in Hazelton mobsters protected him because he is Italian. He says that in Hazelton mobsters are the ones that offer protection to other people not the other way around. He says Fort Dix had all kinds of Italian American mobsters, wise guys, wanna-be's, and east coast type dudes. There are the New York guys, the New Jersey ones, and the Philly ones and they are running Fort Dix. My friend says there is no way someone’s going to rape a guy who they know is Made who they will get killed for? Sure it’s possible but status holds a lot of weight in prison. My friend says No Blood, Crip, Hispanic,Aryan gang member would even touch someone in La Cosa Nostra.

    He says that it's always the weakest guys that get the worst treatment in prison and that If you're a well respected criminal on the outside, then chances are you'll be respected in prison. Mobsters are street guys, so other inmates aren't going to mess around with them . And definitely not if the mobster is a member of a powerful family. Tony Soprano is a Boss of a crime family. My husband's friend says that the targets in prison are the most vulnerable people, the mobsters especially the New York ones still have much power outside prison. Also my husband's friend says that Big Sandy did not have a large LCN population, so the mob guys he met were pretty low key but no one really messed with them and and that most inmates looked up to them like a kid looks up to a ball player and thinks "that's what I want to be" and that they were considered original gangsters by black inmates.

    Also he says that blacks are extorting and bullying weak vulnerable unprotected white guys. My husband's friend says that from what he saw in the places he was locked up in black prisoners are all about that rape shit or the consensual sex shit in between the black population and that most prison rapes in the places he was locked up in were committed by black men on white men. He says that in Hazelton all the DC Blacks gang members have their sissies/prison wives that they kick it with. I am not saying that it's like that all over United States I'm strictly speaking from what my husband's friend saw in the places he was locked up in. Things could be different in other prisons.
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    #4
    That makes sense. I guess it would depend on where he landed. I was thinking that since the FBI would get him, he'd be in federal prison. I was thinking of Gotti when I responded. From what I read the Prison he was at in Illinois (before he was hospitalized), was controlled by Aryans. He was paying them but for some reason felt he didn't need to, then he got into that fight with another inmate. If Tony was in a prison like Gotti and didn't have $$ he'd get beat since Gotti was bigger and he got beat. If he was in a prison like your husband's friend described, maybe his rep could have carried him through, but he'd have to prove himself like Feech did when he got there. It sounded like it's more about business than it is respect (in Gotti's case). That is the story as I read about it, which may not be the case.

    I think if Tony would not have the money, he could definitely earn respect physically, no question. But his arrogance of being an unquestioned boss in prison would change. And I agree with your point about initial respect to street guys, but if you don't back it up they'll pick you apart.
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    #5
    Look at Johnny Sac and I think you will see a good picture of Tony is prison for the long haul.

    Tony was still physically capable at the end of the series, as was evident from the beating he gave his driver not long after surgery. More importantly, he was the son of a former boss and the nephew of another former boss. Had he gone to prison, it would have been like Johnny S., basically having the run of the place, but still up shit creek without a paddle.
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    #6
    @LZAGotti was an 55 year old man by then (1996) so of course the younger Johnson had the upper hand. And who cares if he got beaten up anyway? He was still a stand up guy, gave no names, dusted himself off and moved on. Gotti was 55 in the summer of 1996. Gotti was old and sick by this point. People make a big deal about a young guy beating the crap out of a 55 year old man. In his younger years, Gotti was a well known tough guy who was really good with his hands. And no doubt if Gotti knew it was coming the results may have been different even at that stage in Gotti’s life. John Gotti had a lions heart. Gotti never payed money to the Brand for protection, his family has even confirmed that's false.
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    #7
    @Wildcard Tony Soprano is tough, smart and manipulative. He would have survived prison. Tony is a huge sociopath. Sociopaths do well in prison. But he probably would hate it tho cause he’s so spoiled. He would definitely suffer deprived of his hedonistic way of live. Could Tony even handle the confinement? Being away from Meadow and AJ, grandkids?
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    (05-12-2019, 05:49 PM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  Could Tony even handle the confinement?

    @Stella 1977, I'm sure somewhere down deep, he loves his children, but they are like property to him. Someone like Tony will always feel right at home in prison, where it is always dog-eat-dog.

    He would become so consumed in that life that very little time would remain for anything else, other than "business"
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    #9
    @LZA John Gotti was never extorted. Was jumped by a mentally unstable young guy and that's it. Italian American mobsters usually get a lot of respect in prison but it does also depend on the individual gangster himself ! Mobsters don’t get bothered in federal prisons. You forget one thing though: Almost everyone (with some exceptions of course) has someone they care about on the outside. And there are some Italian American mobsters (like Gotti) who have an arm long enough to reach to the outside. So when you got a mother, kids or anyone else you care about out there, you're not going to fuck with the one or more guys who have the reach to get them...
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    (05-12-2019, 04:20 PM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  @LZAGotti was an 55 year old man by then (1996) so of course the younger Johnson had the upper hand. And who cares if he got beaten up anyway? He was still a stand up guy, gave no names, dusted himself off and moved on.
    Honestly, from videos I've watched and stuff, I've read, Johnson was an idiot who pretty much sneak attacked him. I agree with you because the info I've gathered, People also say if Gotti knew it was coming he probably could have fared better. If anything, the way the circumstances played out, Gotti gained more respect due to the age difference and not saying anything...

    (05-12-2019, 04:20 PM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  Gotti never payed money to the Brand for protection, his family has even confirmed that's false.
    I wouldn't trust anything that family says... Even Jr is always spinning the truth. He had a lot of creative input on Travolta's Gotti movie, which paints him in a much better light than he was....Smarter than he was. He squandered the position he took over for his father. Victoria and those kids??? fuggetaboutit. How would they really know anyway, they are media whores playing for attention. If AJ Soprano was real, he'd have a reality TV show called Growing Up Soprano... Taking crap about his father not knowing WTF he's saying.

    (05-13-2019, 04:40 AM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  @LZA John Gotti was never extorted. Was jumped by a mentally unstable young guy and that's it. Italian American mobsters usually get a lot of respect in prison but it does also depend on the individual gangster himself !

    I agree, and it was not really extortion per se, but Gotti (as I understood) was paying the AB for protection then stopped, thinking he didn't need them. The story as I heard it was when he paid them again, it's rumored that the AB put a hit on Johnson... I could be wrong, I'm just going by info I collected. AB's may be sickos, but they are businessmen first.

    Anyone can be got... Bobby got Tony, which was surprising since Tony took out Perry the bodyguard. If we are talking real life then Tony would have to conduct "business" to keep himself protected by paying off the right people. I'm sure he'll know what he has to do. After Gotti got beat up he probably gained more respect since he is a street guy. If that happened to Tony, I can see Tony doing the same thing.

    In the TV series, they would have probably written in where he was respected and untouchable like Johnny Sack. I'm sure Tony would be well respected, but it's possible he could have taken a beating too.
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