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    Discussion "Hair Metal" vs Grunge
    #21
    @LZA What an awesome song. Have you heard the It's five o clock somewhere album? Slash's Snakepit?

    (This post was last modified: 04-19-2019, 05:14 AM by Stella 1977.)
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    #22
    @Stella 1977

    Never heard of Slash's snake pit. BUt this reminds me of something. STP+ GnR = VELVET REVOLVER... What I consider the BEST of both genres.

    CAn't believe I forgot them, I remembered Audio slave, but that was 2 alternative bands (Soundgarden& RATM).

    VR is a perfect example of the music being the music and what can happen when the right mix of each style come together.



    Just SICK! And there is more where that came from Smile
    (This post was last modified: 04-19-2019, 02:26 PM by LZA.)
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    #23
    @LZA Check out this video. I agree with Lita Ford..there is NO real kick ass music scene anymore !! WTF ??
    It's all kiddie POP.

    (This post was last modified: 04-19-2019, 05:00 PM by Stella 1977.)
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    #24
    @Stella 1977

    That's a great honest video. I can see some of the parallels between grunge/hair spray rock, and maybe a reason why that rock died out, like grunge eventually did.

    Some of them knew they weren't trendsetters, but followers. Someone said the A, B, and C class... That happened in grunge too.

    Your contention about it being about the music was echoed by some of those guys. A few of them mentioned that it became more about fashion than about music... Which has nothing to do with music, so maybe the over-doing of the fashion statements caused it to fail, ya know? like a big fake bubble that burst. It can't be genuine in all cases since some admitted they just did what they had to do.

    Also, they also masked unhappiness from this in their performances. So they may have been more like grunge but grunge never really faked their moods while hair metal put on brave faces. It all washes out in the end. Hair metal knew they were unhappy, which may have caused their careers to die. Grunge people were unhappy; as an example, Kurt Cobain was said to be unhappy feeling that he got fake when he was big too. He and others literally lost their actual lives.

    About what Lita said, I was wondering if it's an age thing. I hope I'd never be like the elders who hated new music because they were too rigid to understand. I don't think I am since there is new music that I do like, but most of it is kiddie pop. How come I can enjoy music from before my time, but absolutely HATE what's new now? I couldn't relate to a time I wasn't born in but could appreciate it anyway... This new stuff is unreal... Especially the rap. Is fucking GARBAGE... and grunge/rock at least if I didn't like the lyrics I could like the beats or vice versa. I can't find anything redeeming with most, not all new stuff today.

    We've mentioned in this thread about music being a sign of the times. 80s were fun and excess, 90s were more of a real-time where the voiceless were heard. Now?? I just dunno... I don't want to derail the topic and turn this political, but the fucked up music may be an illustration of the fucked up thinking in these new times... One thing I'm hopeful of is if history has taught us anything, it won't be like this forever. Kinda like the weather here in New England... Don't like the cold, just wait a min... Don't like the heat, just wait a min... Unlike the way the country is thinking, I hope the music changes into something that is enjoyable and for the most part, makes sense.
    (This post was last modified: 04-19-2019, 06:53 PM by LZA.)
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    #25
    @LZA I love GnR so much!



    @LZA Check out this documentary. At that time the "M" in MTV actually meant something, I loved MTV back then. Now it's just a politically-driven machine. A way to poison teenager's minds against Conservatism. "Hey, we're MTV!! Be cool and join us as a liberal, or be a POS, and have no friends!"

    (This post was last modified: 04-20-2019, 03:17 AM by Stella 1977.)
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    #26
    (04-20-2019, 03:08 AM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  At that time the "M" in MTV actually meant something, I loved MTV back then.  

    money?

    "Yeah. I understand the mechanics of it, shithead. I just don't understand how this is any less retarded than what I'm suggesting." - Kiley; Housebound.
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    #27
    (04-20-2019, 03:08 AM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  @LZA  I love GnR so much!

    GnR is definitely epic! Use Your Illusion (to me) made them top a tier band, regardless of the genre. They are the "knock your teeth down your throat, real deal". I swear I think I didn't like most hair sprayers since most I thought were fake sissies. GnR wasn't really like the rest. I'd be more afraid to take a punch from guys like Axl than some guy in makeup and hair spray... Unless it's Dee Snider... He was too ugly to pull off the typical hair rocker vibe. Funny when I was younger to be silly enough to hate something because of the presentation of it... I actually liked Motley Crue back then, but I was ashamed of myself and wouldn't admit it.

    (04-20-2019, 03:08 AM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  @LZA   Check out this documentary. At that time the "M" in MTV actually meant something, I loved MTV back then.  

    LOL, I recognized the video I attached in an earlier post... This is the complete version. (without Vince Neil irritatingly repeating his "fuck some chicks" comment).

    Funny remembering the culture back them. Comparing what I thought it was to what they say... Vince Neil's life was more difficult than I realized, but he still put on that rocker face. I'm not saying he's fake... Actually, I'm sure a lot of people would pretend life was better by trying to become someone else. I can relate more to him than the grungies... I loved grunge since they were brave enough to show everyone that they were real by not being as happy. But the hair spray "mask" was real too because most people do the same thing.

    I can also relate to the financial savvy of these bands... Hair spray almost seems like Pro Wrestling. Crazy costumes, loud, excessive, blow your money... If I was a rocker I'd certainly fall into that... It's not how much you make, it's how much you save. some wrestler said that. Tongue

    (04-20-2019, 03:08 AM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  Just to update, MTV2 is like MTV I guess... It was for music but has gone away. I guess there is an MTV classic that is supposed to be like the original, but somehow... I don't know...

    A lot of channels are like that now... This political climate is something else... I'm sure the Hair spray genre wouldn't last today sine the way they partied and "fucked chicks" would be a PC nightmare.

    Drugs are  rampant in all music, but in grunge, I wonder if people feel more for a grunge type person than a rocker for OD'ing, as hypocritical as that is..

    Can you picture in today's culture of media fed non-thinking zombies taking their Blue pills, What they would think of this behavior? I can picture most feeling sorrier for the depressed grunge guy because they "couldn't deal with life" than they would for a hair rocker because they were partying in an orgy because he was out of control having too much fun? Not saying that's a correct way of thinking since all ODs are fucked up and senseless... TBH if I had to OD, I'd rather have fun than feel sorry for myself.
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    #28
    Critics always focused way too much on how "pretty" the band members were, bands like Cinderella, Warrant, Poison, they basically forgot the music. I don't exactly hear teens today listening to "Hair" metal music which kinda saddens me. I think more teens today should be more appreciative of good old rock/heavy metal bands. If it wasn't for def leppard, warrant, bon jovi, ratt, quiet riot, white snake, ozzy, kiss, and even Micheal Jackson mtv would have never made it, so what does mtv do to all those bands, they shit on all of them, mtv sucks What bothers me about a channel like MTV is that when something is popular they regard it as being 'good,' but then they'll marginalize that same stuff they made a fortune off of when its no longer considered cool. Hypocrisy and unfairness in the mainstream media bothers me more than the music I don't like.
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    #29
    (04-26-2019, 02:39 PM)Stella 1977 Wrote:  Hypocrisy and unfairness in the mainstream media bothers me more than the music I don't like.

    hey @Stella 1977, This is indicative of a larger problem that reaches FAR beyond just music.

    If people are one dimensional, validation seekers who think their way is correct, why would they even try to venture out and listen to other music outside of what they think is good? It's arrogance and stupidity mixed... And TBH, shows in the new music they listen to for the most part.

    At least I'm smart enough to know how stupid I am and how irrational it was to hate a genre of music because it didn't fit my ego... When I was in my teens/early 20s, NO WAY would I ever admit that hair rock was cool...

    Maybe these kids need to grow a little to appreciate other things like I did. BUt I grew up in a culture that taught me that my way isn;t always the right way just because I believed it... kids nowadays... if you try to tell them there are other things than what they think is good, you can be convicted of a hate crime.
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    #30
    @LZA Back then the genres weren't nearly as defined as they are now. It was all METAL.
    I was 15 year old in 1992 grunge broke big and can remember listening to it on the radio and seeing the videos on mtv and thinking "why do so many of these people only want to talk about being depressed and hating life?", then I remember the day kurt cobain committed suicide and the massive overreaction it got as if it was somehow this unexpected event despite the fact he'd tried to off himself two or three times in the previous year or so (all of which had been widely reported on) yet my peers all expected me to care as if it mattered to me in the slightest regardless of the fact I hated his music and didn't care for the grunge fad at alll. All those "alternative / Grunge Bands" also copied each other & a lot of my friends were even selling out to them. Im like WOW you guys were putting down Poison & Slaughter & THEN talk highly of Nirvana & Pearl Jam!? WTF? That's how I felt about the 90's. Just a bunch of bands cloning each other and a majority having boring, annoying whiny vocalists. Glam metal bands still had plenty of fans, but the industry embraced the whole alternative/grunge scene at that time, and milked that dry too. What annoys me is how people don't take 80s Heavy Metal seriously because of how the bands looked. If you go back and look, there was some KILLER hard rock/metal that came out in the early to mid 90's that largely went unnoticed. Skid Row's "Slave to The Grind" was amazing! The Coverdale/Page album, I still play to this day! Brother Kane put out some amazing stuff! Badlands was great! Poison put out a criminally underrated album in "Native Tongue." Warrant was doing great stuff. Winger was great! I could go on and on. The 90's" bands didn't last that long. After 1995 "grunge" died faster than hair metal. Think about it. During grunge Aerosmith, Def Leppard,The Scorpions, Bon Jovi just name a few had massive hits and sold a ton of records.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...-R1OaUrMf8
    (This post was last modified: 04-29-2019, 05:24 PM by Stella 1977.)
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