06-12-2013, 12:28 AM
I have a question for you guys: What do you consider ethics, and what are some unethical situations you've seen in the past?
Is ethics a relative term or does it have a set of rules?
I'll try to keep this post short, and most of you guys know my story by now from reading other posts I've made.
I've had the same job over a decade, in that time I've worked for 2 people.
Without getting into too many details (you should have seen how much I deleted). My 2nd boss was an insecure bitch who had to always knock people down (verbally to their face & shit talk behind their back). It got so bad that management told other departments to not seek her advice to questions, to go to the main boss, or others (it was brought up in a meeting), and I became in charge of all the training of the new members. I guess they didn’t know what to do with her, she’d been there for 25 years plus (in the same position). She got away with terrorizing any new person she could ( I know because these people would come to me, sometimes crying most times, doubting themselves and their skills). It was so much so I became in charge of training all people, and being the main contact of other depts. (aside from the lead boss, of course).
When the lead boss left to become a VP at another company (he got a huge raise, we were all happy for him), the #1 job was up for grabs. At this time, I was considered an equal with this person. People would ask me to apply for the job but I knew I couldn’t , because she didn’t have the capability to take direction from me. She’d undermine me at every turn. So she got the job (at the disapproval of the senior management/president, but she was the only applicant). The problem was when anyone would complain, it would be swept under the rug. It just seemed they didn’t know what to do with her. If she found out teammates went to the sup & complained, the they got the biggest bitchslap with her pimphand. I know this, I was slapped a few times myself…So I can’t say I didn’t try.
Working under her was tough. She was more of a micromanager while my 1st boss gave me free reign. No prob, I’m a top performer, my job as backup is to make her life easier. So the job went well (she actually gave me the best review I ever had despite the fact she hated me). What I didn’t like was she kept her shit talking attitude when she became sup. Even a shithead LZA knows when you escalate to a leadership position, you have to change some behaviors. She tell everyone, “oh, so & so called in, he sounded drunk” or “I think so and so is stupid” you get it. I’m gonna stop here because it’s getting long, but many other variations of what I would consider unethical behavior ran rampant when I was there…I’m sure it still does to this day.
You know my saga, so I won’t repeat, it, but I got a few contact by teammates since my leaving the position, telling me that my position was posted. One teammate in particular , whom I considered (and also trained; she later became a sup in another dept.). told me that some of her reports want to apply for my position. She told me she so want to tell these people not to apply, and tell them how this person is. My friends exact words were “I have good people, I don’t want these people going through the same thing we went through”. Obviously she didn’t say anything, as she was ethical.
I posted this for 2 reasons:
1. To get your opinion on what you think ethics are, and maybe some of your own stories.
2. In the case a reader of this post (registered member or guest) is going through their own version of this type of “office politics” or anything in general, to know they are not alone.
This is not a post for me to whine. I did the best I could and my job is completed. I was just curious.
Holy shit! I chopped about 3/4 of this to reduce the size & it's still long...Sorry
Is ethics a relative term or does it have a set of rules?
I'll try to keep this post short, and most of you guys know my story by now from reading other posts I've made.
I've had the same job over a decade, in that time I've worked for 2 people.
Without getting into too many details (you should have seen how much I deleted). My 2nd boss was an insecure bitch who had to always knock people down (verbally to their face & shit talk behind their back). It got so bad that management told other departments to not seek her advice to questions, to go to the main boss, or others (it was brought up in a meeting), and I became in charge of all the training of the new members. I guess they didn’t know what to do with her, she’d been there for 25 years plus (in the same position). She got away with terrorizing any new person she could ( I know because these people would come to me, sometimes crying most times, doubting themselves and their skills). It was so much so I became in charge of training all people, and being the main contact of other depts. (aside from the lead boss, of course).
When the lead boss left to become a VP at another company (he got a huge raise, we were all happy for him), the #1 job was up for grabs. At this time, I was considered an equal with this person. People would ask me to apply for the job but I knew I couldn’t , because she didn’t have the capability to take direction from me. She’d undermine me at every turn. So she got the job (at the disapproval of the senior management/president, but she was the only applicant). The problem was when anyone would complain, it would be swept under the rug. It just seemed they didn’t know what to do with her. If she found out teammates went to the sup & complained, the they got the biggest bitchslap with her pimphand. I know this, I was slapped a few times myself…So I can’t say I didn’t try.
Working under her was tough. She was more of a micromanager while my 1st boss gave me free reign. No prob, I’m a top performer, my job as backup is to make her life easier. So the job went well (she actually gave me the best review I ever had despite the fact she hated me). What I didn’t like was she kept her shit talking attitude when she became sup. Even a shithead LZA knows when you escalate to a leadership position, you have to change some behaviors. She tell everyone, “oh, so & so called in, he sounded drunk” or “I think so and so is stupid” you get it. I’m gonna stop here because it’s getting long, but many other variations of what I would consider unethical behavior ran rampant when I was there…I’m sure it still does to this day.
You know my saga, so I won’t repeat, it, but I got a few contact by teammates since my leaving the position, telling me that my position was posted. One teammate in particular , whom I considered (and also trained; she later became a sup in another dept.). told me that some of her reports want to apply for my position. She told me she so want to tell these people not to apply, and tell them how this person is. My friends exact words were “I have good people, I don’t want these people going through the same thing we went through”. Obviously she didn’t say anything, as she was ethical.
I posted this for 2 reasons:
1. To get your opinion on what you think ethics are, and maybe some of your own stories.
2. In the case a reader of this post (registered member or guest) is going through their own version of this type of “office politics” or anything in general, to know they are not alone.
This is not a post for me to whine. I did the best I could and my job is completed. I was just curious.
Holy shit! I chopped about 3/4 of this to reduce the size & it's still long...Sorry
