Help Request DreamWeaver. Yes or No?

[2010kaiser]

Hi all,

I've used many different S/W programmes for web site construction and development. It's not an area where i'm in my "comfort zone" but my pig stubborness fuels my motivation. (If i don't know how to do something, i'll move heaven and earth to learn ).
Initially, a very kind, helpfull and insightfull user on the net introduced me to Adobe DreamWeaver (his/her user name is "twiztedsister").
I struggled to get to grips with how the software works, and when i did, i thought it was amazing!!

IT DID MOST OF THE WORK FOR ME!!

Now i feel different about the software. I've reverted back to learning codeing/mark-up from scratch.
So what are your feelings on this/similar software.

Is it helpful or doesit take the learning out of learning??

[Mark]

Both.

It's to web programming what Visual Studio is to GUI programming. While it takes alot of the coding out of development and allows you to focus on design, it handicaps a newcomer when trouble-shooting is necessary. Jmo of course

[2010kaiser]

Both.

It's to web programming what Visual Studio is to GUI programming. While it takes alot of the coding out of development and allows you to focus on design, it handicaps a newcomer when trouble-shooting is necessary. Jmo of course

My sentiments exactly MARK. When i used it first it gave me an element of belief in my abilities. But as you've highlighted, when it came to de-bugging/trouble shooting i was lost.

I'd love to hear other users thoughts on this and similar software. in thisage of "I want it yesterday", i think that these and similar software packageshave their place. but not for beginners.
That's just my opinion

[Mark]

That's what is sad, Kaiser. These packages are aimed at beginners. of course they are for pros too, but a large portion if the market share goes to noobs who believe DreamWeaver will make them a pro overnight. Personally I wouldn't touch the damn thing.

[2010kaiser]

I've reverted back to the likes of w3schools and a huge amount of educational material which i hold on an external HD.
Initially i thought i was right/smart in doing it the way that i was shown.
There used to be a user on SB called "kaulfbaumer" (I still think he's now kjf ), who is a master at codeing etc and he warned me that i was "putting the cart before the horse". Now i see his wisdom.
his advice to me was to learn HTML first and foremost. If not, i'd be lost with any other language/mark-up/codeing.

He was bang on the money!!

[RobertX]

I think you should at least learn half of HTML, CSS, or all of the above before using stuff like Dreamweaver. It's like using a calculator before learning to add by counting.

In fact, I would go as far as saying "don't use Dreamweaver." Coding can be fun. Instead, use this: www.arachnoid.com.

[Mark]

I think you should at least learn half of HTML, CSS, or all of the above before using stuff like Dreamweaver. It's like using a calculator before learning to add by counting.

In fact, I would go as far as saying "don't use Dreamweaver." Coding can be fun. Instead, use this: www.arachnoid.com.

To me, that's sound advice. And thanks for the link.

I should clarify by saying that the reason I dont and won't use DreamWeaver is because I am more interested in the process of learning than in the speed of the process.