Posts: 6,723
Threads: 251
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation:
391
(06-07-2012, 06:52 PM)alocirga Wrote: "the observers could say they see a real man and woman" no they perceive what they see and in the end it is subjectively commented on so the out come is the same, the only person who knows what is real is THE person, not anyone else 
(06-07-2012, 06:56 PM)Mark Wrote: ^Agreed, until you have walked a mile in their shoes . . .
i also agree.
i will also say that it is time that a somewhat loose definition be concocted as to create an 'industry' standard so that individuals with perceptual differences such as the delusional and self serving/absorbed can also be judged and labeled like other member's of society.
"Yeah. I understand the mechanics of it, shithead. I just don't understand how this is any less retarded than what I'm suggesting." - Kiley; Housebound.
Posts: 13,839
Threads: 94
Joined: Feb 2012
Being a real man or woman is simple.
Most decent Dads are real men but they have to learn mighty quickly because we don’t get a hand book with a child and you work with your real Woman as a team. You sacrifice so much together as one, money gets tight but you find a way. When you get the first real recognition from your child then my friend you are a real Man/Woman. Well done and welcome to the club because as far as your child is concerned you are all the super heroes rolled into one

Real men moe the lawn, take out the garbage, help with the chores.
Posts: 6,723
Threads: 251
Joined: Mar 2012
Reputation:
391
(06-07-2012, 07:28 PM)2010kaiser Wrote: (06-07-2012, 07:26 PM)snilloc Wrote: Being a real man or woman is simple.
Most decent Dads are real men but they have to learn mighty quickly because we don’t get a hand book with a child and you work with your real Woman as a team. You sacrifice so much together as one, money gets tight but you find a way. When you get the first real recognition from your child then my friend you are a real Man/Woman. Well done and welcome to the club because as far as your child is concerned you are all the super heroes rolled into one
Real men moe the lawn, take out the garbage, help with the chores.
My sentiments exactly. But i'll add.......... are relentless in their protection of their children when things go tits up 
so, what you two are saying is that a scumbag with decent parenting skills who do chores are considered real men?
i don't agree with that at all.
as it was said earlier, the appointment of these titles is perceptual.
"Yeah. I understand the mechanics of it, shithead. I just don't understand how this is any less retarded than what I'm suggesting." - Kiley; Housebound.